The Objective Truth: A Dialogue About Morality and the Logos

— A Comment Below My New Short Video on My English Channel

In one of my recent YouTube shorts, I shared a quick analysis of a quote from Antisthenes:
“What is shameful is shameful whether it appears so or not.”
— Antisthenes

Here, Antisthenes speaks of objective truth.
Right and wrong, just and unjust, do not depend on opinion or appearance.
Something is not good simply because it seems good.

In an age ruled by cognitive dissonance, where perception often overrides truth, and convenience masks injustice, this quote reminds us:
Reality doesn't bend to belief.
And morality doesn't change with fashion.

The return to classical education is not nostalgia it’s a necessity.
Because without roots in truth, we are left drifting in illusion.

The Comment That Sparked a Deep Dialogue

Following that short, a comment appeared, questioning the objectivity of morality. This comment sparked a rich exchange that I think is worth sharing. Here's the full dialogue I had with a viewer:

Viewer

How is morality objective, and how can the assertion that it is objective be substantiated?

Me

If morality is objective, it's not because it's "written somewhere in the sky," it's because it's written in the very logic of life itself.
The ancient Greeks saw justice (τὸ δίκαιον) not as a rule imposed from outside, but as harmony, the right proportion that allows something to flourish.
Like the Golden Ratio in nature: the leaf grows, the body grows, even the soul grows, but only when it stays in balance.

So morality is objective in the sense that there is a just measure, a Logos, embedded in the very structure of being. When things deviate too far from this measure, through excess or deficiency, both nature and human life begin to collapse.

“The hidden harmony is better than the obvious.”

- Heraclitus

The Logos is not a dogma. It’s a unifying principle that governs all things, even through their apparent contradictions and flux. It’s not always visible, but it is always present. And it can be understood not by belief, but through inner inquiry, self-knowledge, and alignment.

Ultimately, it’s the study of motion. Whether stellar, psychological, or mental. Where there is rhythm, there is order. Where there is order, there is justice.

P.S. Check the new video about Logos.

Viewer

Your account of Logos is philosophically rich, but it does not substantiate moral objectivity. Harmony, proportion, or cosmic order do not equate to moral truth. Natural systems can be orderly without being moral.

Even if Logos is real, epistemic access remains unclear. Intuition, dialectic, or reason offer no consistent or verifiable method for deriving universally binding moral truths.

Equating justice with balance or order is metaphorical. A worldview based on Logos may give structure to ethics, but it does not demonstrate that moral claims are mind-independent truths. It is a metaphysical framework, not a proof of objective morality.

Me

You’re absolutely right that harmony and proportion don’t constitute proof in the modern analytical sense. But perhaps that’s precisely the limitation of that framework.

Rational thinking is like listening to one note at a time in a vast symphony.
You might understand the note, its pitch, its duration but in the end, you’ll miss the music.
To truly grasp what’s happening, you have to zoom out and hear the rhythm, the structure, the movement.
But also zoom in, precisely and attentively.

That’s where Logos lives, in the dynamic interplay between part and whole.

In the ancient Greek view, morality wasn’t a decree or belief. It was a way of being in the right relation.
Justice (τὸ δίκαιον) was not imposed from outside, but flowed through the very logic of life.
That’s why Socrates, in Cratylus, described it as δια-ιόν καίον:

“that which flows through all things and burns through them.”

Justice is not a static rule.
It is a living process the fire of the Logos revealing what aligns and what disintegrates at a specific time, in a specific space, with a specific proportion, volume, or amount.

Justice, in this sense, is not abstract.
It is measurable, but not mechanical.
It is dynamic like a musical phrase that must land at the right moment, with the right force, in the right key.

Likewise, Heraclitus wrote:

“All things are judged and revealed by fire (Logos).”
"Fire" does not moralize.
It exposes.

So when we speak of moral objectivity, we don’t mean external enforcement.
We mean that there is a deep structure to being, and when we violate it, dissonance and collapse follow not as punishment, as consequence.

And this is by no means no mysticism.
This is ontological clarity.

The Pythagoreans put it beautifully:

“From the One to the Many, and from the Many back to the One.”
What unites all numbers? What moves through all form?
The Logos.

Not a theory. Not a dogma.
But a rhythm that pulses through all that exists.

It doesn’t ask for belief.
It demands resonance.

And that’s why understanding Logos is the most dangerous thing of all.
Because once you perceive it,
no one can lie to you again.

And perhaps this is the essence of it all:
In Greek, the word Aletheia (truth) literally means
"the undoing of forgetfulness" —
Α-λήθη, the lifting of λήθη, of oblivion.
It’s a mathematical reality.

Conclusion

This dialogue encapsulates everything I seek to express about the Logos not as an abstract concept, but as the very structure of reality itself. The more we align with it, the more we perceive the truth. And in a world filled with distraction and illusion, this return to clarity, to Aletheia, is perhaps the most dangerous - yet necessary - thing of all.

Video Description

In Greek philosophy, Logos is not just speech or logic, it is the very structure of existence, the invisible law that connects and harmonizes the cosmos.

From Heraclitus to the Stoics, from Pythagoras to Plato and Aristotle, Logos was seen as the principle of order, ratio, reason, and unity. This video explores the many layers of Logos: as cosmic law, mathematical harmony, human capacity for understanding, and the dialectical path toward truth and freedom.

Why the ancient Greeks saw Logos as the key to reality? How Logos is embedded in nature, music, language, and the human mind? What the bee symbolizes in Greek thought and why it still matters? How to live with Logos in clarity, care, and inner alignment.